Creating Hidden tracks

[Tualla Turner]

Hello EAC group!!

Been an avid user for about a year now and simply love the application. I
have one question that is not really related to EAC, but I'm sure someone
out there knows how to do it.

I would like to fool around with the time displays on created CDs - ie make
tracks start at negative time offsets. The idea behind wanting to do this is
a silly one, I want to surprise people in a mixed CD ring. It would just be
sorta fun put a last song on a CD that doesn't get played unless the CD
player is left running.

Anyone have experience doing this? If so how? Programs to use, files to
edit?

Cheers, Tualla


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[kx2k]

Post by Tualla Turner
Hello EAC group!!
Been an avid user for about a year now and simply love the

application. I

Post by Tualla Turner
have one question that is not really related to EAC, but I'm sure someone
out there knows how to do it.
I would like to fool around with the time displays on created CDs - ie make
tracks start at negative time offsets.

http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/cdburnadv4.html

Read that, then you can edit the cue sheets in eac.

Kevin

[y***@public.gmane.org]

Post by Tualla Turner
Hello EAC group!!
Been an avid user for about a year now and simply love the application. I
have one question that is not really related to EAC, but I'm sure someone
out there knows how to do it.
I would like to fool around with the time displays on created CDs - ie make
tracks start at negative time offsets. The idea behind wanting to do this is
a silly one, I want to surprise people in a mixed CD ring. It would just be
sorta fun put a last song on a CD that doesn't get played unless the CD
player is left running.
Anyone have experience doing this? If so how? Programs to use, files to
edit?
Cheers, Tualla

Just take the last track, add some silence to it and then append the
"hidden track" to the last tracka nd then it can only be played if the CD
player is left running or it is seeked to.

Jon

[mysfit_i]

Post by y***@public.gmane.org

Post by Tualla Turner
Hello EAC group!!

Just take the last track, add some silence to it and then append
the "hidden track" to the last tracka nd then it can only be played
if the CD player is left running or it is seeked to.

The other thing I believe you could do is put a whole track in the
Index 0 part of the first track on the disc. Hi-Fi cd players will
automatically jump to Index 1 of track 1. Some Hi-Fi players will
then allow you to scan back into the 'gap' before the Index 1 marker.

For an example of this try the David Gray White Ladder album. I only
noticed this when I extracted the album on my PC and saw the size of
the Index 0 for track 1. When I played it, it was a totally
different track :-)

massed gadget

[David W. Tamkin]

mysfit_i wrote,

| The other thing I believe you could do is put a whole track in the
| Index 0 part of the first track on the disc. Hi-Fi cd players will
| automatically jump to Index 1 of track 1. Some Hi-Fi players will
| then allow you to scan back into the 'gap' before the Index 1 marker.

That's what I thought Tualla was asking about.

Here's my question: if you rip a disc like that, how do you extract the music
from index 0 of track 1? In my experiences, rippers never can extract that
portion, not even EAC. Maybe there's a setting I'm missing?

[David W. Tamkin]

A few minutes ago I asked,

| Here's my question: if you rip a disc like that, how do you extract the
music
| from index 0 of track 1? In my experiences, rippers never can extract that
| portion, not even EAC. Maybe there's a setting I'm missing?

Hmm. EAC's "Actions" menu has an option for prepending the gap's data to the
extraction of the next track. It's always grayed out for me, but that could
be because I've never yet used Detect Gaps. So if the answer to my question
is to detect gaps and then select that option, thanks; I've stumbled across it
on my own and will try it soon.

[mysfit_i]

Post by David W. Tamkin
A few minutes ago I asked,
| Here's my question: if you rip a disc like that, how do you
| extract the music from index 0 of track 1? In my experiences,
| rippers never can extract that portion, not even EAC. Maybe
| there's a setting I'm missing?
Hmm. EAC's "Actions" menu has an option for prepending the gap's
data to the extraction of the next track. It's always grayed out
for me, but that could be because I've never yet used Detect Gaps.
So if the answer to my question is to detect gaps and then select
that option, thanks; I've stumbled across it on my own and will try
it soon.

Can't say for sure as my EAC is on my PC at home so don't remember
how it is set up. However I definitely know that I have Detect Gaps
set.

It was when using EAC that I found the hidden (Index 0 - Track 1)
track on the David Gray album.

ttfn

massedgadget

[David W. Tamkin]

When I wrote,

| > So if the answer to my question is to detect gaps and then select
| > that option, thanks; I've stumbled across it on my own and will try
| > it soon.

mysfit_i answered,

| Can't say for sure as my EAC is on my PC at home so don't remember
| how it is set up. However I definitely know that I have Detect Gaps
| set.
|
| It was when using EAC that I found the hidden (Index 0 - Track 1)
| track on the David Gray album.

Can you remember what steps you took, Gadget? I did try it but did not manage
to extract index 0 of track 1. Lacking any discs with hidden tracks, I was
using a disc where index 0 of track 1 is just the standard two seconds of
silence; maybe EAC discards that as a matter of course?

On the same topic, pio2001 wrote (and I hope someone else can answer, because
Pio just left on vacation),

: You can "copy range". This way you don't have to detect gaps.

Will that include index 0 of the first track in the range? I'll have to give
it a try, but I'm pessimistic. Does selecting "copy range" from the drop-down
do something that is different from highlighting a group of tracks and
pressing F5 (or F6 to test and copy)?

[Goran Marinic]

On Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:18 PM, David W. Tamkin

any discs with hidden tracks, I was using a disc where index
0 of track 1 is just the standard two seconds of silence;
maybe EAC discards that as a matter of course?

AFAIK, the mandatory two second pause in front of index1/track1 is not
extracted unless you try to do it manually. This has to be silence.
However, everything after the first two seconds is extracted if you are
reading image and probably if you are extracting track with pregap.

[mysfit_i]

Post by Goran Marinic
On Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:18 PM, David W. Tamkin

any discs with hidden tracks, I was using a disc where index
0 of track 1 is just the standard two seconds of silence;
maybe EAC discards that as a matter of course?

AFAIK, the mandatory two second pause in front of index1/track1 is
not extracted unless you try to do it manually. This has to be
silence. However, everything after the first two seconds is
extracted if you are reading image and probably if you are
extracting track with pregap.

If the wife will let me near the PC tonight/weekend I will try the
David Gray album extraction again, and report on my EAC setup and
process.

ttfn

massedgadget

[Andre Wiethoff]

Hi David!

Post by David W. Tamkin
| Here's my question: if you rip a disc like that, how do you extract the
music
| from index 0 of track 1? In my experiences, rippers never can extract that
| portion, not even EAC. Maybe there's a setting I'm missing?
Hmm. EAC's "Actions" menu has an option for prepending the gap's data to the
extraction of the next track. It's always grayed out for me, but that could
be because I've never yet used Detect Gaps. So if the answer to my question
is to detect gaps and then select that option, thanks; I've stumbled across it
on my own and will try it soon.

If you just want the hidden track, it will be easier to use "Copy Range"

cu, Andre


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[Edward W. Bihary, Jr.]

Digest Number 1223, Message: 7
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:54:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Creating Hidden tracks

Post by Tualla Turner
Hello EAC group!!
Been an avid user for about a year now and simply love the application. I
have one question that is not really related to EAC, but I'm sure someone
out there knows how to do it.
I would like to fool around with the time displays on created

CDs - ie make

Post by Tualla Turner
tracks start at negative time offsets. The idea behind wanting

to do this is

Post by Tualla Turner
a silly one, I want to surprise people in a mixed CD ring. It

would just be

Post by Tualla Turner
sorta fun put a last song on a CD that doesn't get played unless the CD
player is left running.
Anyone have experience doing this? If so how? Programs to use, files to
edit?
Cheers, Tualla

Just take the last track, add some silence to it and then append the
"hidden track" to the last tracka nd then it can only be played if the CD
player is left running or it is seeked to.
Jon

This is not my idea of a hidden track. It just becomes part of the last
track. And of course, if your recipients try to rip the last track, they
will get both songs as a single track, and will then have to manually trim
that extra song off. A true hidden track would not be part of any other
track - it just would not show up in the track list or be cueable. As far
as I know, there is no way to do this. What is recommended here may serve
your purpose, but it does affect the integrity of your last track.



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